Beware the idolatrous WOKE Clergy Coaching Network who are NOT clothed in Christ!
'On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind
me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: “Write on a
scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna,
Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I
saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone like a son of
man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around
his chest. The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his
eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and
his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven
stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face
was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right
hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and
the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever
and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place
later. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the
seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven
churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.'
Revelation 1:10-20
https://my.bible.com/bible/111/REV.1.10-20
Woke Christianity, only stressing soft-love and works righteousness without self-control and self-discipline, is a modern heresy upon the Church, and not any better than only hard-love messages sent without any compassion or mercy and full of only condemning judgment.
Real Holiness is Wholehearted Love like Jesus who while compassionate and merciful, at the same time called sinners to repentance, he did not enable them to stay in their sin anymore than the cripple he told to stop sinning before something worse happened to him, or the woman who was caught in adultery and he saved from stoning, he told her to go no leave her life of sin (being without God in daily fellowship through the Holy Spirit). When he preached of the Rich man in Hell, who dressed himself in fine linen purple, this was the dress of the high priest, who recently died, and who begged Father Abraham to send Lazarus back to warn against ending up in Hell, but whom the Father told him, they would not believe even if someone was sent back from the dead, and when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, the High Priests fellow brothers did not listen, instead they wanted to find a way to kill Lazarus as well as Jesus. Jesus called his brethren White Washed tombs, and made a whip of cord and drove the animals from the temple and overturned the table of the money changers.
When we preach an all soft-love Jesus who never calls for repentance and just hangs out with sinners to eat and drink for the fun of it because he loves them so much, or a hard love Jesus who only has wrath and no mercy, we are creating an idol that is not biblical.
Jesus had Wholehearted love which balanced soft and hard love, much as a parent has do to with their child. Jesus could have mercy and compassion, but he could also get angry and scripture says he was without sin, and yet we have the false message that getting angry in and of itself is only sinful. Jesus was fully human without sin, and so can Christians be likewise and be fully clothed with Christ.
So I had the following discussion lately in Naznet Fellowship Group on Facebook:
When I come in here seeing messages stressing SOFT LOVE
messages only, what I see in my mind's eyes are former Trevecca Alumni, who had
SOFT LOVE messages on their profiles, but then they were full of LBGTQ+ flags
and memes, and accepting the sin, without bringing the sinner to the awareness
of repentance.
On the other hand, some people in here probably view me as Jonathan Edwards,
preaching a hard love sermon about sinners in the hands of an angry God, I can
tell you my sermons are not like that:
The Church, Coronavirus, Suffering - Palm Sunday 2020 https://youtu.be/24i0NPaQ6B8
'We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers
and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who
kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for
those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and
for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine '
1 Timothy 1:9-10 https://my.bible.com/bible/111/1TI.1.9-10
I believe Ray Comfort does the best job in his Street Evangelism he shares on
YouTube and Facebook because Ray will walk a sinner through 3 of the 10
commandments, and getting them to accept the premise that God can judge his
creation, would they be in Heaven or Hell, based upon their lack of observing
the 3 of 10 commandments. He gets them to confess that they have taken God's
name in vain using it as a cuss word, it gets them to admit they have told lies
in their lifetime, and he gets them to admit either to fornication if they are
having sex outside of marriage or to the sin of committing adultery by looking
upon a member of the opposite sex with lust.
Then he asks them, based upon their lack of observance of 3 of the 10
commandments, if God has to judge them, will they be going to Heaven, or will
their guilt send them to hell?
He then walks them through the atonement:
'You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for
the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a
good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own
love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we
have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from
God’s wrath through him! For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were
reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been
reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! '
Romans 5:6-10
He then asks them if they jumped from a plane before it crashed if they could
save themselves and they could not, but if they had a parachute, you could
trust it. He then asked them to trust that Jesus died in their place, and will
they repent and be born again?
Some convert, but many say they will think about what he has said. (i.e. https://youtu.be/iBEoI2u6kII - I very much encourage anyone to subscribe to Ray Comfort's Living Waters Channel On YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@LivingWaters)
Now as much as I love Ray Comfort's street Evangelism, and I would not
discourage you from it; when I took the Evangelism Class at Trevecca, we
learned only 5% of people converted to Christianity being born again because
they heard a street preacher as Ray Comfort, or because they went to a Church
Service, Revival, or Crusade, or Christian Concert.
Statistically speaking 95% of people attending a family Bible study or small
group Bible study converted to Jesus being born again.
Some of you I'm talking to can trace your Nazarene heritage
back 2 to 4 generations, but I cannot. A girlfriend of mine was so worried
about how she measured up having maternal and paternal Grandfathers who were
Nazarene preachers, and because of how she was raised, she was a bit OCD, and I
just laughed, and said, "You worry too much, my Paternal Great-Grandfather
made moonshine to take care of his 13 children, and my Maternal
Great-GrandFather drank until his liver burst at age 35, setting my Maternal
Grandfather on a destructive path of alcoholism that nearly destroyed my
Mother's life. When my Father, who died when I was only 2 weeks old, try to
tell her how much he loved God, she told him she hated God because He never did
anything for her, having been kicked out of her home at age 16, because she ran
away from a prostitution job her Father set up for her lying and telling her it
was a babysitting job, and when she came home without money, she was told they
didn't take beggars in off the street. I told her, my family generations were
pretty much lost and in darkness, but being born again, you learn so much grace
and love, but it is wholehearted love, the proper balance of both when you are
holding the Holy Spirit's hand.
So I didn't have DEEP holiness roots, I had a Mother who eventually came to
faith after my Father's death and a stepfather who came to faith when I was 10
and he was 30. His conversion, full repentance, and being born again, were
obvious, he was never the man he was before, and he turned from a Father I
wanted to run away from, to a Father I adored and wanted to come home to.
But I had my own prodigal experience:
The life story of believing, losing faith as a Prodigal, and the peace only
found returning to faith in Jesus! https://haqodeshim.blogspot.com/2022/11/the-life-story-of-believing-losing.html
And so I came from darkness to light, and when you live in the ghetto, and you
are born again, your unsaved peers, hate you MORE than they did before you got
saved. They love the knowledge of evil, they enjoy bullying, manipulating, and
cursing at you to tear you down, a liar sees this as a game to have won when
they have lied to you and deceived you and gotten you to believe their lies.
They get satisfaction from it, not guilt.
All the soft-love in the world is not going to save them, and if you don't have
some self-respect, they will take advantage of your soft-love to hurt you.
Growing up like this, you really understand what Jesus said about not casting
your pearls before swine, lest they turn and tear you to pieces, and about
being gentle as a dove, and wise as a serpent.
If you really want to engage the LOST in love, you have to start with prayer,
because it was surely the prayers of Saintly people in my life that protected
me when I was away from God, and I had demons attacking me in my sleep trying
to drag me to hell, when I strayed.
About 1/3rd of the young men I went to school with back in those days from
1977-1984, never reached the age of 30, and died lost, not knowing Jesus.
Another 1/3rd of them went to jail, and spent half their lives there, and last
third were split 50/50 on knowing Jesus or being lost, but staying out of the
grave and out of jail.
There were times God allowed me to show kindness to my adversaries as he was
breaking them, because I prayed for them, but none became Christian when I had
to move away in 1984, most became Christians 20 to 30 years later, and I prayed
for their salvation the whole time, but I simply sowed some of the seed, others
reaped the harvest by doing more sowing and enjoying the reaping that came
with.
It's very hard being a survivor in that environment because you look back and
say, "God surely had mercy upon me, because I was not better than
they!" Walking on the graves of men who never turned 30, who grew up in
broken heathen homes, allowed me to deal with the survivor's guilt in that I
decided that their lives would not be a total waste, I had to march forward and
not let go of the Holy Spirit's hand, to redeem their memories, to take tragedy
and have a purpose to live a Holy Life and not fail, because my life had a
blessing their life never had.
Most relatives and people close to my life not saved, do not want to hear
another sermon. When you are lost, you don't focus on what a Christian does
right, you focus on what a Christian does wrong, so you can justify your sinful
existence. In 55 years of living, I've found prayer is the only way to drive
out this kind, along with fasting, and I've watched as I'm powerless to affect
change in the lost relative's or person's life because they don't want to hear
from me, they will not talk, they will not correspond, they want you to leave
them alone.
But then months, years, or even decades later, you see them get saved, and you
know it was God accomplishing in prayer, what you could not do with words or
actions.
I don't want you to not be gentile as doves, but I also don't want you to
forget to be wise as serpents and to not lose yourself to feelings and ignore
the warnings in scripture.
I've those friends who think soft-love and ignoring scipture is going to bring
the LGBTQ+ to heaven, without following Ray Comfort's Street Evangelism Model
and following it up with Bible Study, so the sanctified can remain the broken
soil, instead of being lost in the lust of the weeds back at the Tree of the
Knowledge of Good and Evil deciding for themselves what is right and what is
wrong!
It's very sad when I see even the very elect, who once lived Holy Lives, sink
to become the worthless salt that has too much sand, and can only be thrown
out, much like the Lukewarm in Laodecia are spewed out of God's mouth. Like
God, you wished they were either hot or cold, so they could be sanctified or
saved, not lost without remedy.
Then there was a reply in the Naznet Group on Facebook:
Emiko Cothran
This was not only in response to what I said above, but in another replay where I said:
Rich Schmidt: Hell will not be full of people whom God rejected. Hell will be full of people who rejected God:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
John 3:16-21 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/jhn.3.16-21.NIV
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So I return to reply to Emiko:
Last I looked Nazarenes were Wesleyans whose faith and
faithfulness were measured by: Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience.
This is where most Woke Christians and works righteousness Christians fail
under our own heritage. My biggest criticism of Craig Keen is that he fails as
a Wesleyan not living up to reason and experience, let alone scripture and
tradition. And it's sad, it's not like I hated Craig, I loved Craig, but the
last time I saw him was in 1994 while visiting Trevecca, and then the next time
my contact was in 2008 when we became friends on Facebook. We are no longer
friends on Facebook and I am blocked by him, it is his choice, but he taught me
too well in Philosophy to abide by truth, and nothing less than truth.
'He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and
the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the
water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be
their God and they will be my children. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the
vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the
idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning
sulfur. This is the second death.” '
Revelation 21:6-8 https://my.bible.com/bible/111/REV.21.6-8
' “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person
according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and
the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes,
that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates
into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the
sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and
practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony
for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright
Morning Star.” '
Revelation 22:12-16 https://my.bible.com/bible/111/REV.22.12-16
' “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was
not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding
clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.
“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him
outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
“For many are invited, but few are chosen.” '
Matthew 22:11-14 https://my.bible.com/bible/111/MAT.22.11-14
You can't be clothed with Christ, and sin sexually, the man without wedding
clothes was NOT clothed with Christ:
'Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the
body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. Do you not know
that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have
received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore
honor God with your bodies.'
1 Corinthians 6:18-20 https://my.bible.com/bible/111/1CO.6.18-20
The only two options in scripture for Christians in the early Church were
monogamy in marriage, or celibacy. Now the early Church did have polygamists
saved after the fact, but they were not allowed positions of leadership:
'A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of
good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; '
1 Timothy 3:2 https://my.bible.com/bible/1/1TI.3.2
'Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual
relations with a woman.” But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man
should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own
husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise
the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body but
yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority
over his own body but yields it to his wife. Do not deprive each other except
perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to
prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of
your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish
that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one
has this gift, another has that.
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay
unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry,
for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not
separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else
be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. '
1 Corinthians 7:1-11 https://my.bible.com/bible/111/1CO.7.1-7
Nowhere in Scripture in the OT or the NT do we find homosexuality compatible
with Holiness, nor do we find it in Christian tradition before the 20th
century, and homosexuals do not practice monogamy. Their version of monogamy is
to go from partner to partner after a separation to minimize disease. There are
adulterous fornicating heterosexuals who do likewise, but they are no better,
their sin is just as grave and damning, because this is not Holy living.
So Craig Keen ignores scripture, and ignores Christian tradition, but he does have
reason to employ, citing a theologian who said because Eunuchs could be
Christians, homosexuals could be Christians too, when Eunuchs are NOT
homosexuals anywhere in scripture. Then he also failed when it comes to
experience, the homosexual lifestyle is not whole, is not healthy, let alone
Holy:
To the consternation of "gay" activist flat-earthers and homosexual
AIDS holocaust deniers everywhere, one such study, conducted by
pro-"gay" researchers in Canada, was published in the International
Journal of Epidemiology, or IJE, in 1997.
While the medical consensus is that smoking knocks from two to 10 years off an
individual's life expectancy, the IJE study found that homosexual conduct
shortens the lifespan of "gays" by an astounding "8 to 20
years" – more than twice that of smoking.
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: GAY SEX KILLS https://www.wnd.com/2008/04/61856/
So since the Church of the Nazarene holds Holiness as a virtue, members cannot
say works righteousness trump Jesus' sacrifice and atonement to get them into
Heaven, nor can you really embrace Wesleyan Faith and Theology, and then pick
and choose where to adhere to it, because then you're not Wesleyan, let alone
Christian, and you have become the salt that has too much sand and must be
thrown out in Jesus' eyes from the Gospel, and spewed out of his mouth for
being lukewarm in Revelation.
Woke Christians have the same fault as the Modern Jews who no longer believe in
Hell, and believe that there are 7 different levels of Heaven, and depending
upon how good you are, you will go to one of the 7 for a reward of your good
works:
The problem with Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, Mormons, and Jews is their
theology proceeds from works righteousness. If works could have saved us, then
Jesus never needed to come and die, because we would have been able to keep the
law of Moses and never break it.
Works can never be righteousness, but they are a sign as to how healthy the
relationship with God is. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit. I Corinthians
13:4-8 https://my.bible.com/bible/111/1CO.13.4-8
Everywhere "Love" is in these verses, put your name and see how you
measure up. If you bear this kind of fruit in your life, no one can say it is
bad, or that your relationship with God is not real.
The danger of the above-mentioned "religions" is that works
righteousness is ultimately idolatrous - you are your own god and will define
what is "right" and "wrong" and you are at the Center, God
is not - this was Adam and Eve's original sin - that they would be like God
instead of letting God be God, since Yahweh translates "I am going to be
who I am going to be"! You have to be very careful in saying we all
worship the same God, for Anton Levay, who founded the Church of Satan, said
Satanism is not about worshiping Satan, but rather self, and make no mistakes
works righteousness is idolatrous and ultimately a worship of "self"
and not Yahweh.
Excerpt from: Do We All Have The Same God? https://haqodeshim.blogspot.com/2021/01/do-we-all-have-same-god-another-note.html
Although I minored in Philosophy with the majority of my classes under Craig,
he never taught Logic, he left that to Ray Dunning, and now I see why, for
Craig emotions trump logic and reason, and for me, a prodigal who came from
darkness to light, the reason I never trust emotions, it because Satan used the
emotion of doubt in God to lead me astray, and so after going to an alter in
1983 to return to faith the Lordship of Jesus, I relied heavily upon Scripture
and Wisdom and the Logic God blessed me with, to stay on the straight and
narrow path, lest my emotions lead me back to the broad path of destruction.
During those prodigal years, I was tempted by homosexuality, but it was after
sitting in class with 7th grade women while the teacher snuck a smoke break
down in the Cafeteria 45 minutes everyday, where the young women classmates asked
who was still a virgin, and proclaiming they were so glad they were not still a
virgin, and then would to on to share their sex they were having with 8th
grades, high schoolers, and young men 18 to 21 years of age in graphic detail.
I was so sexually frustrated, I began to think sex with other men would be one
way to relieve the frustration, and I would not have to worry about getting
them pregnant, as one girl in my class would become in 8th grade and drop out
of school to marry the 21-year-old man who got her pregnant.
Fortunately, while the temptation ran through my head as a thought in 1980 at
12 years of age, I never acted upon it physically. I'm glad I never did,
because it kept me from herpes which would enter the world stage in 1981 and
HIV/AIDS in 1982, not to mention destroying my life for accepting perversion
instead of returning to Holy Living in 1983.
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So to bring this back to the Clergy Coaching Network who posted the following MEME:
So this is not a bad MEME in and of itself, but is it from Wholehearted Love, or Soft-Love with a Woke Agenda behind it? So I simply copy and pasted my Reply to Emiko as you have read above, and when I went back to add the context that came before, I was told the comment was deleted and removed from Clergy Coaching Network, which shows they have an idolatrous position when it comes to the LGBTQ+ and NOT wanting to call them to repentance, just love and show them acceptance.
Even Scripture says:
' Those whom I love I
rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door
and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat
with that person, and they with me. To the one who is victorious, I will give
the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down
with my Father on his throne. Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit
says to the churches.”'
https://my.bible.com/bible/111/REV.3.19-22
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